Antipope Francis' Bombshell Interview. Saturday 5th October, 2013. Our Lady's Saturday

Antipope Francis' Bombshell Interview - by Brother Peter Dimond

Northern Hemisphere Autumn

 

"This is Brother Peter Dimond, (www.vaticancatholic.com).  Antipope Francis recently gave a shocking interview to the editor of the so-called Jesuit journel, La Civilta Cattolica  He was interviewed by Antonio Spadaro.

 

I want to talk about the major heresies in the interview as well as other statements Francis makes that are wicked.

 

There are three major heresies in the interview.  Let's cover these first.

 

The three major heresies in this interview are:

 

1.  The idea that the understanding of Church teaching can be different from what it was previously.

 

2.  His position that the schismatic "Orthodox" should not be, and do not need to be converted to the Catholic Faith.

 

3.  His position that God does not reject or condemn homosexuals.

 

There are numerous other statements that are extremely interesting in this interview.  I will cover those after we consider the major heresies.

 

 

 

First major Heresy

 

The first of the major heresies that I want to discuss comes on p.13 where Francis says "The view of the church's teaching as a monolith to defend without nuance or different understanding is wrong."

 

In the context of discussing the deposit of faith and how the Church' teaching is transmitted from one era to another, he plainly states that it is wrong to view the church's teaching as a monolith, that is as something with an immoveable or inflexible character that is to be defended without different understanding.

 

He  therefore openly teaches that it is wrong to believe the Church's teaching, that is, dogma, cannot have an understanding that is different from what it had before.   That is blatant heresy!

 

The First Vatican Council declared, "Hence, also that understanding of its [the Church's] sacred dogmas must be perpetually retained, which Holy Mother Church has once declared; and there must never be a recession from that meaning under the specious name of a deeper understanding."  

[ Vatican I condemns antipope Francis]

It also taught that there must be "the same doctrine, the same sense, and the same understanding."

 

The idea that the understanding of Church teaching or dogma can be different from what it was previously is heresy and heresy on a basic rudimentary matter of faith.   It absolutely proves that Francis is not remotely a Catholic.

 

In fact, consistent with his heretical views that the understanding of Church teaching can change with time, he also says in this context, "Hence, human self understanding changes with time and so also human consciousness deepens."

 

It is condemned heresy to believe that the understanding of Church teaching changes with time.

 

As the First Vatican Council declared, "If anyone says that it is possible that at some time given the advancement of knowledge, a sense may be assigned to the dogmas propounded by the Church which is different from that which the Church has understood and understands: let him be anathema."

 

As Pope Gregory XV1 taught in Mirari Vos, 1832, ..."nothing of the things appointed ought to be diminished; nothing changed; nothing added; but they must be preserved both as regards expression and meaning."

 

 

 

 [ Pope Gregory XVI condemns antipope Francis]

 

Second Major Heresy

 

 

The next major heresy I want to discuss comes on P.9 of the interview.   This is a major heresy that has been largely, if not completely overlooked by others who have commented on his interview.

Francis is asked about his ecumenism and the schismatic "Orthodox" who don't accept Papal Infallibility and the Papal Primacy of Jurisdiction.    He says, "Maybe it is time to change the method of the Synod of Bishops, because it seems to me that the current method is not dynamic.   This will also have ecumenical value, especially with our Orthodox brethren.  From them we can learn more about the meaning of episcopal collegiality and the tradition of synodality."

 

He goes on to say, "...we should recognise what the Spirit has sown in the other as a gift for us."

 

 

Before I continue, note he's saying that the Holy Spirit sows things in schismatics who reject Catholic dogma.   He's saying we should learn from them how to work on the local level, how to use synods etc.

 

He goes on to say "I want to continue the discussions that was begun in 2007 by the joint Catholic-Orthodox commission on how to exercise the Petrine Primacy, which led to the signing of the Ravenna Document."

 

 

 [ antipope Benedict with schismatic Orthodox]

 

In 2007, a commission under Benedict XVI officially approved the Ravenna Document.   The Ravenna Document was a joint statement by the Vatican II sect and the schismatic Orthodox.   This statement officially approved the "Orthodox" view of the Church, how they work locally; it clearly teaches that they're in the Church, since they have the Eucharist.    That's a heresy that's also taught in Vatican II.

 

 

It praises autocephalous Churches, that is schismatic independent churches, which reject the Papacy.   It says that they are an expression of the Spirit of the Church, and it denies the necessity for the schismatics to embrace Catholic teaching on the Papacy in various ways.  It's complete heresy and schism. [We have an article on that].

 

 

Francis says that's the way to go!

But that's not even the worst thing he says about schismatic Orthodox in this passage, or the most theologically significant thing.

 

  [antipope Benedict XVI approved Ravenna Document with schismatic Orthodox]

 

The most important thing he says comes next.    He is then asked how he envisions the future unity of the Church in the light of these comments.

 

He answers, "We must walk united with our differences; there is no other way to become one.  This is the way of Jesus."

 

That's an open blatant statement that the schismatic Orthodox do not need to be, and shall not be converted to the Catholic Faith.  He says that there is no other way to achieve unity; no other way to become one, to walk united with our differences, that is with their rejection of the Papacy.

 

 

That is total heresy!  It's a denial of many Catholic dogmas, the necessity of the Catholic Faith for salvation, the necessity of the schismatics to convert, and it's exactly opposite of what Pope Pius XI taught in Mortalium Animos.

 

 

[ antipope Francis with schismatic Orthodox]



He said, "...for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it..."

Notice that Francis not only blatantly denies that teaching, proving that he's a heretic, but, Pius XI says that the only way to promote Christian unity is by telling them to convert, whereas Francis says that the only way to promote unity is to walk united in differences.    So he's not only denying the Catholic teaching, he is saying that his view, his heretical view, is the only way that must be followed.

It's just total heresy and blasphemy!

This heresy on the Orthodox which was also taught by the previous Vatican II antipopes in various ways, carries great theological significance because it denies dogmatic truths at the heart of Vatican Council I.

Vatican I made it quite clear in various statements that no one can remain in the Church of Christ without accepting Catholic teaching on Papal Infallibility and Papal Primacy of Jurisdiction.

 

[ Vatican I declares Francis - No Pope!]

 



Francis teaches the opposite.  He rejects, spits upon and trashes Vatican I.    If you adhere to the teaching of Vatican I, you must reject Francis.  His denial of Vatican I is a prime reason among others that he's not the Pope!

The Third Major Heresy

The next major heresy I want to cover comes on P.7 of the interview.    He's talking about homosexuals, and he says, "In Buenos Aires I used to receive letters from homosexuals persons who are 'socially wounded' because they tell me that they feel like the church has always condemned them.   But the church does not want to do this.    During the return flight from Rio de Janeiro I said that if a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge."  He goes on to say, "it is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person."

He then re-quotes something he said previously about homosexuals:  "Tell me: When God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?"

This is wicked heresy!    First he says, 'no one to judge.' 

That's interesting because the First Vatican Council declared that a Pope, a true Pope, is the supreme judge of the faithful.    Francis doesn't judge or condemn anyone because he's not a Catholic and he's not the Pope.

[Vatican Council I - a true Pope is supreme judge]

Second, he's discussing homosexuals.  He says he's no one to judge, and he teaches that God doesn't condemn them or reject them.   That indicates quite clearly, that homosexuals could be justified despite their wickedness and abominable behaviour.   And, we know Francis is including active homosexuals in his comments, because he makes no distinction between people who merely consider themselves to have a homosexual orientation, and those who engage in homosexual behaviour.

Indeed, we know he's talking about those who engage in homosexual acts because Francis refers to homosexuals who have claimed to him that they feel excluded.    That obviously includes active homosexuals.   In fact, in this very context Francis speaks of confession.

The Vatican II sect would only consider homosexual acts, not the homosexual orientation, matters for confession.

Francis then speaks in the very same context of gay "marriage".  That obviously refers to, and includes practising homosexuals.   Francis also says in this very context, "that we must consider their situation" and  look upon things with "mercy" which come in the context of his reference to confession, only have meaning if he's referring to practising homosexuals.

Francis also applied his comments to both "homosexual persons" and to "homosexuality."

Read carefully in context, there is no doubt that Francis' teaching that he does not judge, condemn or reject homosexuals or homosexuality includes practising homosexuals. 



[ Vatican I - a Pope is the supreme judge of the faithful - Francis NO POPE!]

That is totally evil and it is heresy.

Based upon Sacred Scripture, the Church has always taught that those who practise homosexuality are condemned , judged and rejected. 

1 Corinthians, 6:9 explicitly teaches that those who practise homosexuality are rejected from the Kingdom of God.   That means they are rejected and condemned, the opposite of what Francis teaches.

Francis' position is heretical.  It constitutes a new false Gospel.

The Church calls homosexuals out of their wickedness and out of their perversion.  It calls them to convert.   But as they are, they are in a state of condemnation.

By the way, Scripture is quite clear that the homosexual orientation is unnatural and results from mortal sin, idolatry and apostasy. [ see Romans chapter 1.]

People can be delivered from it by the grace of God.

Francis' evil and heretical comments about homosexuality come at a time when acceptance of homosexuality is sweeping the World.   It's dominating.  It's moving so quickly that people who adhere to the Biblical position on homosexuality cannot even run a business in some places.

 

[Francis doing the work of the Devil]

Francis' wicked statement is exactly what the world did not need to hear.  It's exactly the message the Devil wanted the World to hear to keep it moving without hindrance on its path of perversion.

Those are the three major heresies in his interview.   Let's consider some of the other statements he makes:

Other Heresies of Francis

On P.8 Francis continues his discussion of homosexuality.  He also gets into contraception and abortion.  This is a passage which the media gave quite a lot of attention to:  He says, "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay "marriage" and the use of contraceptive methods.  This is not possible."

He goes on to say, " The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about those issues all the time."

Since the Vatican II sect does nothing to stop abortion, gay "marriage" and contraception, as proven by the fact that people who support those evils go to "communion" freely, not only at Francis' false services, but all over the Vatican II sect, Francis' statement that we should not talk about those issues all the time, clearly means in context, that he doesn't want these issues stressed or emphasized, that he doesn't want people to consider opposition to these evils, prerequisites or requirements to consider someone a Catholic.

In fact, in this context, he goes on to say, "The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent ... Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things; ...We have to find a new balance."

When he says that, "we must focus on the essentials, the necessary things, and he's speaking in the context of dogmatic and moral truths, such as the Church's teaching against the aforementioned evils, he's actually teaching the very false doctrine condemned by Pope Pius XI in Mortalium Animos.  

Mortalium Animos - Pius XI

                                                                      

 Pius XI said, "in connection with things which must be believed, it is nowise licit to use that distinction which some have seen fit to introduce between those articles of faith which are fundamental and those which are not fundamental, as they say, as if the former are to be accepted by all, while the latter may be left to the free assent of the faithful: for the supernatural virtue of faith has a formal cause, namely the authority of God revealing, and this is patient of no such distinction.   For this reason it is that all who are truly Christ's believe, for example, the Conception of the Mother of God without stain of original sin with the same faith as they believe the mystery of the August Trinity, and the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ, just as do the infallible teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff..."

Pius XI is condemning the idea that when you consider things that have been infallibly taught by the Church, some can be considered fundamental and others can be considered non-fundamental or as Francis says, "Some can be considered as essential and others can be considered non-essential," from the standpoint of one's obligation to accept those teachings when they are proposed to you.   No, you must accept all of them!

Francis is clearly making the very distinction Pius XI condemned.

He's saying it's not really necessary to oppose abortion, gay "marriage"and contraception as his previous statements about "he doesn't judge or condemn the homosexuals" prove.

                       [Feeding the poor-Francis' essentials]

What's essential to him is 'feeding the poor' and 'accepting all sinners.'  It doesn't really matter if you oppose gay "marriage' contraception and abortion.

And, since the Vatican II sect doesn't condemn the evils in reality, his attempt to de-emphasize these issues clearly indicates in context DON'T INSIST UPON THEM.

 

 

 

It is purely evil and it's further proof he's a complete heretic and apostate.   The very distinction he draws is a heretical one condemned by the Church.   

The fact that this is the meaning that this is the meaning he is conveying is precisely why the notorious Pro-abortion group, NARAL, thanked antipope Francis for his comments.

Pro-choice NARAL love Francis!

They recognised that Francis' statements mean that people do not have to insist upon opposition to abortion, contraception and gay "marriage"

Now, on P.3, Francis discusses his motto.  He says "that his motto is of that of John XXIII: 'See everything, turn a blind eye to much; correct a little.'  John XXIII saw all things, the maximum dimension, but he chose to correct a few, the minimum dimension."

So Francis' motto is that he turns a blind eye to much, and when you consider that the matters that he's turning a blind eye to involve heresy, sin, the violation of God's law.   It shows you what a wicked apostate he is.

Apostate Francis-turning a blind eye

On P.6, he discusses sanctity, and he says, "I see the sanctity of God's people...There is a 'holy middle class' ...I see holiness in the patience of the people of God; a woman who is raising children, a man who works to bring home the bread, the sick, the elderly priests, the sisters, my dad, my mom, my grandmother Rosa ... she is a saint."

The point is, that he thinks everyone's holy.  He thinks everyone's a saint; sin means nothing to this apostate.  Anything goes.  Everyone's essentially going to heaven and everything's fine, as long as you feed the poor and accept sinners.

Evil fruits of Vatican II-Blasphemy

On P.9, Francis says, "We have to work harder to develop a profound theology of the woman."  What does that mean???  It's just more meaningless nonsense that tickles the ears of liberal apostates.

On the same page he also discusses Vatican II, that wicked false council which taught numerous heresies.   He says "Vatican II is absolutely irreversible."   He also says, "It's fruits are enormous.  Just recall the liturgy."

Francis thinks that the liturgical fruits of Vatican II are tremendous.   Anyone who has any conservatism knows they were evil and horrible and disastrous

Fruits of Vatican II

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On P.10, Francis praises uncertainty and condemns doctrinal security.  In this context Francis speaks of how it's necessary to have uncertainty and doubt about your encounter with God and beliefs about God.  He says that if you're certain of your position, that's a sign that you are not of God.    He even criticises the view which declares with certitude that 'God is here,' even though that's exactly what the Catholic Church teaches about God's definite Eucharistic Presence in True Masses and Tabernacles.

More evil fruits of Vatican II

He also says "those who today always look for disciplinarian solutions, those who long for an exaggerated doctrinal 'security,' those who stubbornly try to recover a past that no longer exists" - these are the people he's denouncing, the people who have 'doctrinal security' and 'certainty.'

That's what it provides for us, yet he's criticising doctrinal security.   But, he goes on to say, "I have dogmatic certainty."

So he does have one.  "God is in every person's life.  God is in every one's life, even if the life of a person has been a disaster, even if it is destroyed by vices, drugs or anything else - God is in this person's life."

So you should doubt things and forget about dogmatic, security and certainty, except in one area, that no matter how sinful you are, no matter how much you reject God, God is still with you.

Two No-Popes - deceiving piety

This is just wicked faithlessness.  It's also interesting that the article begins by noting that Francis has austere and simple living quarters.   Francis also claims to spend an hour a day in front of the "Blessed Sacrament" and to pray constantly.   He's obviously not spending time in front of the Blessed Sacrament, because  it's not present in the Novus Ordo "Mass."

But this is an example of how externals can be deceiving.  Acts of apparent piety can be deceiving.  Francis is totally evil as his complete rejection of Christ and the Catholic Faith shows. 

When a person rejects the Faith of God, it does not matter what else he or she does.  Faith is essential.  Without faith it's impossible to please God, as Hebrews 11:6 says. That's why we see throughout the Scriptures that faith is important to God.

St. Paul preaching about Faith

Those who deny faith severe the initial connection to Him and are worthless in His sight.  That's why if people are rejecting the faith you cannot judge them by what other activities they may be involved with.  You must judge them on based on their conformity to the rule of faith.

On P.2, Francis also says, "I cannot live without people.  I need to live my life with others.

 I find that interesting because it shows he cannot tolerate solitude.  He cannot stand to be alone with God.  he must always be around other people.  That's because he's wicked.  Evil people hate solitude and have never found God in solitude

Francis cannot stand solitude

Francis also makes numerous statements which prove that he's a total modernist.   What he says is essentially exactly what Pius X condemned in his encyclical against the modernists.

For example, on P.5, Francis speaks of how "There is no full identity without belonging to people.  No one is saved alone, as an isolated individual, but God attracts us looking at the complex web or relationships that take place in the human community."

He's speaking of the collective community.    In No. 23, of Pacendi, the encyclical against the Modernists, Pius X said, " What, then, is the Church?  [According to the modernists] It is the product of the collective conscience..."

That's what Francis is essentially saying.  He also speaks of experience.   On P.6 he refers to "it is the experience of holy mother the hierarchical church,"

He makes this statement in the context of speaking about how the faithful considered as a whole possess infallibility, which is based on their collective experience.   Modernists frequently speak of experience.

Pius X pointed out that they apply experience to tradition to destroy it, they don't view tradition as something handed down and faithfully guarded, but as something to be viewed in the light of people's experience.   That's the language Francis uses because he's a modernist; he's not a Catholic.

So those are some of the other quotes that are interesting which further prove that Francis is a faithless, wicked apostate.   But the most important parts of the interview are the heresies I mentioned

Antipope Francis denies Catholic faith is necessary for Salvation

The three major heresies are:

1.  Francis' view that the understanding of Church teaching can be different from what it was previously.

2.  His teaching that the schismatic "Orthodox" should not be, and do not need to be converted to the Catholic faith.

3.  His teaching that the homosexuals are not rejected and condemned by God.

Those are heresies.  Do not allow liars to tell you that Francis' interview has been misrepresented by the media.    We've considered the quotes.  His statements have not been misrepresented. 

There are other liars in the false traditional movement who have major problems with Francis' interview, but they claim that there is nothing openly heretical in the interview.

That is nonsense. They don't know what they are talking about.

The first two heresies we covered, even if you exclude the statement on homosexuals are bold denials of Catholic teaching, major open heresies.

Francis' homo-heresy interview is further proof that he's a heretical non-Catholic antipope and that the organization he leads, the Vatican II sect is not the Catholic Church but the End Times Counter Church."



The Bombshell Interview

[see our video "What Francis Really believes" and our website www.vaticancatholic.com for more information about Francis' apostasy and the true Catholic faith]

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 Here is a link  also to the video